Lost!

[sleepyjeff]

Three season ago there was a scene in which Locke and Ben were discussing a magic box.................now we have Claire and Jack pondering over the meaning of a music box.

Connection?

Before you answer, recall what Locke did at the end of that season 3 episode.........if you guessed that he was fooled into blowing a submarine up please go to the head of the class:eek:

[sleepyjeff]

266 Million

That could buy a lot of Churros:D

[scaeagles]

I can't say I'm pisssed....this whole show is a tragedy. I expect tragic things to happen. That was just a whole lot of tragedy for one episode.

If I recall, when Sayid was teling Jack about the location of Desmond, he said something to the effect of "because it's going to be you". A hint that Jack is the new Jacob? I had previously been leaning toward Hurley.

[innerSpaceman]

Well, they've certainly been throwing around jack as new jacob pretty heavily lately, what with him being the only one committed to staying on the island for his mystical purpose. Not a done deal by any means in the Lostiverse, but that's the storytelling i'm getting.

And I don't mind tragedy. I just dislike storytelling cheap shots.

Also, it's seeming like the storyline is veering away from the elements of the season I was beginning to find interesting. For the last two episodes, I'm getting the distinct impression that all the stuff I'd like to be seeing is happening off screen.

With 3 more eps to go, I'm doubting that trend can be redeemed, though I do expect them to be action-packed and such. Last night's was pretty action-packed, but it was unsatisfying to me. And not just because of the cheap shot deaths. (The non-cheap-shot deaths didn't bother me at all, btw - I fully expect characters to die left and right starting about now.)

I like the mind-fvcks and brain-twisters and ah-ha stuff. Action is fine, but strictly second tier.



Now that I think of it, I've yet to see a series that ended on a date certain pull off a satisfying finale. I've never seen any evidence that LOST would be the first.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

If I recall, when Sayid was teling Jack about the location of Desmond, he said something to the effect of "because it's going to be you". A hint that Jack is the new Jacob? I had previously been leaning toward Hurley.I believe he meant "it's going to be you doing this because I'm about to blow up."

I felt oddly unmoved by the tragic events...maybe, deep down, I just don't believe in that plane of existence?

[Ghoulish Delight]

All I know is that if they don't give me a satisfactory resolution for what's happened to Vincent I'm going to be pissed.

[JWBear]

...Or Rose and Bernard.

[scaeagles]

I can't keep track of anyone right now....I'm still trying to remember where Richard is at present.

[JWBear]

I can't keep track of anyone right now....I'm still trying to remember where Richard is at present.

On his way to Dharmaville with Ben and Miles.

[innerSpaceman]

Yep, this is the first season I'm watching week-to-week, and I can't keep track of anyone. Thanks for the recap on Richard and Ben and Miles. I was clueless. Who else has been off the show for five minutes?


Also, does it seem to anyone else that sideways Jack is a bit of a dunderhead? I know Desmond is Desmond, but shouldn't it be beyond dawning on Jack that somethings up, what with EVERYONE he meets having been on Oceanic 815? I would hope a surgeon would be a little quicker on the uptake.

[scaeagles]

I htink it is apparent based on his reactions that he knows something is going on - at least it has been evident to me.

Thanks JW. Now who is Miles again? :)

[sleepyjeff]

I believe he meant "it's going to be you doing this because I'm about to blow up."

I felt oddly unmoved by the tragic events...maybe, deep down, I just don't believe in that plane of existence?

That's me too.......the death's last night just made me shrug my shoulders....maybe it's because there have been so many deaths on this show or maybe it's because one too many people have come back(either as ghosts, zombies or smoke monsters) that I am just not able to accept that they really are dead.

Or it could be because I know the name of the second to last episode:



"What they died for"

[scaeagles]

well, with the whole parallel reality thing going on I doubt anyone is dead in all of them....especially since Jinn walked by Jack in the hospital in one reality after dying in another.

[innerSpaceman]

"after" being entirely relative. But aren't most people (or is it just me) assuming sideways world is somehow less "real" than Lost world? I mean, isn't one of them going to wink out of existence? And haven't they pretty much established that the sideways world is a complete illusion? Charlie, Faraday and Desmond have already seen through it, and whats-her-face who warned Desmond to back off is clearly aware of its "unreality."


No?

[scaeagles]

Tis true....not to mention that the first scene this season was the Lost Island completely submerged on the ocean floor.

[BarTopDancer]

Tis true....not to mention that the first scene this season was the Lost Island completely submerged on the ocean floor.

If they don't answer that I am going to be pissed.

I'm sad there will be no more pretty Sayid in black sleeveless awesome to look at.

[innerSpaceman]

Maybe they'll show bits and pieces of his awesomeness in a tattered black sleeveless ripped to revealing shreds on the bottom of the ocean next to a sunken submarine.

[JWBear]

I htink it is apparent based on his reactions that he knows something is going on - at least it has been evident to me.

Thanks JW. Now who is Miles again? :)

"Pierre Chang"'s son - the one who hears dead people.

Maybe they'll show bits and pieces of his awesomeness in a tattered black sleeveless ripped to revealing shreds on the bottom of the ocean next to a sunken submarine.

With that much C4, I'm afraid that much more than his shirt is in shreds. As Jack said, "There is no more Sayed."

[Gemini Cricket]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about but it's a fun read.
:)

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

"after" being entirely relative. But aren't most people (or is it just me) assuming sideways world is somehow less "real" than Lost world? I mean, isn't one of them going to wink out of existence? And haven't they pretty much established that the sideways world is a complete illusion? Charlie, Faraday and Desmond have already seen through it, and whats-her-face who warned Desmond to back off is clearly aware of its "unreality."


No?

I think that something significant may happen when the surviving alternate Losties collectively realize what is going on, and my best guess is they will somehow become involved in the final battle, if that's where things are headed. Alternate timeline seems almost like a "Last Temptation of Chrsit" story arc.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lost-producers-actors-candidate/

Producer blather and therefore spoilery.

[Gemini Cricket]

Did this episode include a scene where Charlie was running down a hospital hallway screaming a certain phrase over and over? That's the scene I was in that they shot and did not use.

[innerSpaceman]

I think Charlie's gone till the second-to-last episode, where he will undoubtedly die again - because untimely death is his fate.

And I'd love it if the alternate Losties would somehow get to the Island with the real Losties and all completely disintegrate when their anti-matter meets matter, just after several freak-out shots of them looking in the ungodly mirror world.

[BarTopDancer]

And I'd love it if the alternate Losties would somehow get to the Island with the real Losties and all completely disintegrate when their anti-matter meets matter, just after several freak-out shots of them looking in the ungodly mirror world.

And then Google will eat the entire world.*




*Not my expression, stole it from someone.

[sleepyjeff]

Did this episode include a scene where Charlie was running down a hospital hallway screaming a certain phrase over and over? That's the scene I was in that they shot and did not use.

Perhaps, what was the phrase?






:D

[BarTopDancer]

Perhaps, what was the phrase?






:D



If you DO post the phrase use spoilers, since that scene was not in the most recent episode.

[sleepyjeff]

Today's ponderable:

The four survivors of the Submarine bombing are the exact same four on the list given to Micheal way back in season 2.

[scaeagles]

Do you come up with this stuff, Sleepy, or do you read it somewhere?

[sleepyjeff]

Do you come up with this stuff, Sleepy, or do you read it somewhere?

About half and half....this one just occurred to me. I do participate in the Lost discussion thread over on MiceChat and from there have clicked on links to other lost cites.

[Gemini Cricket]

If you DO post the phrase use spoilers, since that scene was not in the most recent episode.
I would totally never spoil something on purpose for y'all.
:)

[sleepyjeff]

I would totally never spoil something on purpose for y'all.
:)

That's why I was trying to get you to accidently spoil us;)

[sleepyjeff]

Happy LOST Day!

[JWBear]

Tonight we get Jacob's and the MIB's backstory!

[scaeagles]

Sweet!

[innerSpaceman]

Is it too much to hope that their conflict involves a lovers' spat, with some Jacob nude scenes?

[JWBear]

Is it too much to hope that their conflict involves a lovers' spat, with some Jacob nude scenes?

Jacob nude scenes would certainly make my day! :D

[sleepyjeff]

Tonight we get Jacob's and the MIB's backstory!

Where we will probably find out that there is something even bigger than they:rolleyes:

First we were wondering who Mr. Friendly was....but it turns out he was just a lackey....then we wondered who Mrs' Klugh was and then who Ben was.....but it turns out they had to answer to someone else too....then Richard and Jacob and now we have man in black....

I get the feeling I've already seen the end of lost in a Anamaniacs Christmas special:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmlrI74fwa0

[Gemini Cricket]

For the LOsT peeps.

[innerSpaceman]

Who let them out of Hawaii?



(And if they can get here, why can't you!?)

[scaeagles]

Answers, yet strangely unsatisfying.

[JWBear]

Answers, yet strangely unsatisfying.

Not enough answers... <sigh>

[innerSpaceman]

W.E.A.K.

[BarTopDancer]

Judging FB and Twitter reaction I'll be alone, or close to.

Loved.

We found out:

That Easu was really Smoky and how he became Smoky
Easu and Not!CJCraigg are Adam and Eve
Where the donkey wheel and light came from
What the island is holding - the light (good/evil?) and if it goes out on the island then it goes out everywhere


The kids playing Jacob and Easu were awesome.

The more I think about it, I think the island, being a cork is really the lid to Pandora's Box. So, if the season started with the island under water then does that mean all hell has broken loose?

[innerSpaceman]

Aside from one of those items, not a single thing on your list, BTD, was discovered during that episode. They were depicted, not discovered. We found out nothing ABOUT anything, except that it came to be. Well, d'uh.

And, as per usual this season, the stuff I WANT to know about Jacob and his other half are happening off-screen, right about ... now ... if the episode were to have kept going at that pace of biography. FEH! I'm sick of a season where it's constantly hinted that the BEST stuff is not being shown!!!


That episode was a completely wasted opportunity. And as someone has already pointed out to me, there's not enough time left to fix it.


I have a sinking feeling that I was right during Season 1 - - there's really no there there. It's just a bunch of cool stuff, vaguely defined, and will end with a putter instead of a bang.

[sleepyjeff]

Not enough answers... <sigh>

Sure there were.........

We found out where the smoke monster comes from>>>>>a cave of light:D

We found out who the ghost boys Unlocke has been encountering are>>>>>>Jacob and his unamed brother:D

We found out where the cave bodies and black and white rocks came from>>>>>an unamed boy and his mother:D

We found out why Jacob is on the Island>>>>>>to protect the magic cave of light:D

You know, if I asked my son a question and he gave me answers like this he would be grounded for a month:mad:

Two more weeks of being jerked around to go;)

[BarTopDancer]

Aside from one of those items, not a single thing on your list, BTD, was discovered during that episode. They were depicted, not discovered. We found out nothing ABOUT anything, except that it came to be. Well, d'uh.

We found out why the stuff is the way it is. I'm a sucker for how stuff works and the revelations we are getting are making me happy.

We found out who Adam and Eve were. How many times was that questions asked? Answered! FINALLY!

We found out where the donkey wheel and light came from. How many people went WTF was that and where did it come from? Answered! Finally!

We found out where Smoky developed from. Now how, but where. How should be answered when they expand on the light

And yes, I am using spoilers until tomorrow for the random people who drop in without thinking.

I think GD said that no one is going to be 100% happy with the answers we are going to get and there is no way in hell they are going to appease everyone. I may hate how it ends, but right now I'm happy with what I am getting. This has been a long, crazy, sometimes depressing but mostly fun ride and unlike the roller coaster at State Line, I'm going to enjoy this until the end.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I...........agree with iSm.

Total non-op of an episode. Y'all know I'm not one to beg for answers. All I ask is that the episode gives me a new, interesting way to think about what I've seen before. This did not. At the end of the episode everything was in exactly the same form of vaguery as when it started. I mean, "Ooooh, the donkey wheel, umm, turns, and ummmmmm, stuff happens, and then, errrr, someone can leave the island." Wow, I didn't know THAT before!

I may not be demanding answers, but I definitely do not want nothing disguised as answers.

[Ghoulish Delight]

We found out where the donkey wheel and light came from. How many people went WTF was that and where did it come from? Answered! Finally!
Ummm, could you tell me the answer then? (I know I mentioned this in my post before, but I wrote that before you posted). Because as far as I can tell, before the episode we knew, "The donkey wheel turns, does something that involves a bright light, and someone gets off the island." After the episode we know, "The donkey wheel turns, does something that involves a bright light, and someone gets off the island."

The answer for where the smoke monster came from? Island magic! Why are some people immortal? Island magic! Why is it impossible for smokey to kill Jacob? Because mom said so! Nothing (other than Adam and Eve) was an answer, we're still left with the exact same questions.

[BarTopDancer]

Ummm, could you tell me the answer then? (I know I mentioned this in my post before, but I wrote that before you posted).

It was built not by Ben/Dharma/Others but by 'brother'. Instead of asking why Dharma was building it, we found out that the OP (original people) built it.

The answer for where the smoke monster came from? Island magic! Why are some people immortal? Island magic! Why is it impossible for smokey to kill Jacob? Because mom said so! Nothing (other than Adam and Eve) was an answer, we're still left with the exact same questions.

We don't know that the light is island magic, nor do we know that is why they are immortal. Not!CJ was immortal, passed the torch to Jacob who is immortal. I'm starting to think Desmond had the torch passed to him too.

----
When the button was no longer pushed and the sky turned purple we learned it was due to the EM activity. The EM activity is related to the light, somehow.
----
When we saw Dharmaville the day 815 crashed there were snippets online of Smoky being up by the plane. Was he bringing it down or trying to tag along for the ride? (ya, I know. A question I just thought of).
----
I'm choosing to be optimistic about the rest of this show. Do I think was the best episode ever? No. But I loved it and felt that I gained knowledge to the island, Jacob and brother.

I refuse to think I wasted 6 years of my life for no answers. They have to wrap it up and explain where they are, what the island is. I just hope they wrap it up without leaving it open for a movie.

[Ghoulish Delight]

They "answered" those questions in only the absolute most superficial way possible. Instead of "Jacob's protecting the island and the mysterious magnetic energy it emanates," it's now, "Jacob's protecting the island and the mysterious light energy it emanates." Instead of "Jacob somehow became the protector of the island and will do anything to protect it," it's "Jacob's 'mom' somehow became the protector of the island and will do anything to protect it." The episode did nothing to either answer the underlying questions behind any of it, nor even ask any new interesting questions. It just slightly altered the nitpicky details of the questions, leaving the same overall view of what's going on.

I didn't say I'm giving up on the show or that this episode makes me any more or less worried about the ending. But this episode did nothing to move the story in anything more than trivial ways.

[innerSpaceman]

From a screenwriter's point of view, it seems to me the entire purpose of Jacob and MIB's foster mother, as a character in THIS story at THIS point in the telling, is to have someone who can reasonably spew all sorts of exposition under the guise of explaining the magic of the island to the two boys who will have to take over the job of protector.

It doesn't matter if that exposition is gobbledegook. It should be explanation at this point, and that was the perfect character for the job. For example, "I've arranged it so you two can never hurt each other" is completely unsatisfying - while "by killing your birth mother and dabbing you both with her uteral blood under a full moon at the mouth of the light cave, you are now recognized as two sides of a single life form by the mojo god of the island and will forever be prevented from ever hurting each other" is the type of thing that's required after five years of getting to this point.


A foster mother character could have spent 45 minutes of that hour-long episode educating her sons and THE AUDIENCE in all the arcane mysteries of the island they would have to know, and we've BEEN DYING TO KNOW.






edited to add:


FVUK LOST

[Pirate Bill]

Adding my voice to those who feel disappointed and cheated. It felt like a wasted episode. Even the answer to the origin of the Adam & Eve corpses was disappointing because it was done in such a condescending way. Just how stupid do they think the viewers are that it had to be explained in such a Romper Room way? (Is Romper Room too old? Should I say Dora the Explorer instead?)

But I'm still holding on to the hope that the last 2 episodes won't be as lame.

[innerSpaceman]

I didn't say I'm giving up on the show or that this episode makes me any more or less worried about the ending. But this episode did nothing to move the story in anything more than trivial ways.

I wish I could say the same. With two episodes to go, I feel last night's fiasco leaves the series ending almost impossible to be satisfactory. To me, at least.

How can you have the pen-penultimate episode, finally about the major Behind-It-All characters, move the story in nothing but trivial ways and STILL have the penultimate and ultimate episodes wrap things up well?


IMPOSSIBLE, says me.




Ya know, I'm used to series finales ending poorly. It's a really tough job, and I don't get too broken up about it being handled half-assedly. But this entire season was set up as a sort of finale, and I've found it by and large disappointing.

:(

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm holding out hope that an episode like this is just the result of the writers not being able to figure out how to partially reveal their full intentions in interesting ways that do not spoil the interesting ending, rather than evidence that they don't have an interesting ending. Perhaps it's too optimistic, and perhaps the fact is that they don't seem to be demonstrating the writing skills to keep things both shrouded in mystery AND interestingly thought provoking. But the show still holds plenty of potential to end up somewhere interesting. The good thing I can say about this episode is that while it didn't reveal anything remotely thought provoking, at least it didn't trash the potential for surprising and interesting answers.

ETA: Well, I might sort of disagree with myself on that last point. It did kinda collapse the uncertainty cloud on some of the more interesting possibilities. "Maybe MIB isn't the smoke monster at all, maybe there's an even more interesting explanation." Nope. "Maybe MIB isn't really trying to leave the island, that's just part of his game." Nope. "Maybe smokey is really the island's protector and Jacob is full of sh*t!" Nope. It seems like all the episode did was confirm the most mundane of possible scenarios.

[innerSpaceman]

If the "mundane" is true, that's ok by me. I don't like "cheat" storytelling. That's not to say I don't appreciate a red herring or five, but I frown on a story being told to blatantly suggest one thing only to have some twist for twist's sake reveal the opposite to be true after months or years of story direction.

The stuff that's really bugged me this season have been screenwriter/storytelling issues ... so I have zero faith in them wrapping it up well. If the reason for last night sucking is that they didn't want to give too much away for the last episode in the next-to-next-to-last episode, I say the writers are talentless hacks.


This is supposed to build a climax, not putter and stall towards a climax.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm not suggesting that all I want is total curveballs out of left field that completely change EVERYTHING. But neither do I want everything to turn out to be exactly what it seems at face value. Otherwise I could have turned the show off a couple seasons ago. And the things I mentioned were things that they've clearly left open-ended and ambiguous, in a "well, given the limited information we have, option A is what someone would LIKE us to believe is the case, but there's definitely the possibility that something else is going on here" sort of way, every one of those they've addressed have either turned out to actually be option A, or the most obvious of option B's.

But I still remain hopeful that it's just because there's some linchpin piece of information that can't be revealed early, and all of the other points of interest in the story will start to fall into place once it is.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

I'm mostly frustrated that the showrunners, much like most showrunners, continue to misunderstand why people watch TV. Sure, we want answers. But as of this point, we only have 3.5 hours left with the characters. The original characters. And the interesting additions over the last few years. The last thing I want with only 2 episodes left is the addition of new characters. Honestly, I don't give a flying pig about the brothers. I want to know what happens to Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Desmond... and I want very much to know what happens to ALL of the main characters in the alternate universe. How could they have wasted that episode on people I don't care about, whether or not they hold the key to the island's shaft-o-light?*

(*EH, that was for you.)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I enjoyed the episode for one reason. It debunked Jacob as possible Creator or Trapper of Magic or Godhead Dictator. It answered our question - "Who is Jacob?" with another question - "Who is his foster mom?". Seems to me they did this with purpose. The message I received was "No one actually runs the show, everyone is a pawn of their past, there is no beginning to anything and no blame to place." The more the mom talked about their destiny and the more we saw of the forces that moved the black and white pawns around, the more I felt it was all chance and happenstance, not fate. I find it an interesting concept for this show to stand on, an atheist concept of a magical universe. It actively makes me think differently about the entire show.

The whole series we were thinking, "What is so special about the castaways?" I now think that the answer is, "Nothing". They are just people who happened to get caught up in fate. One could argue that the island is a force with a mind of its own, but somehow in the presentation of the underground light, I began thinking of it as a natural phenomenon. Maybe it's the recent oil spill that's got me on this road, but doesn't the analogy of a very powerful resource found in the earth seem familiar? One that is invaluable and that people should probably be protected from, lest they be corrupted? It doesn't have to be self-aware to be what it is.

I know I'm in a tiny minority. GD and I hashed it out last night and there was no reconciling our views. Hell, I don't even agree with BTD on what was revealed. Perhaps I'm just dumb because I hadn't thought of it that way before, but to me, knocking Jacob off his ladder (along with Smokey and everyone else we've been worshiping all these years as the Savior) wasn't a bad way to spend an episode.

[bewitched]

I am more enlightened yet more confused than ever. Having said that, I found the mundane explanation of MIB's desire to leave the island (because he has always yearned to leave) to be very satisfying...and very human. Clearly the island holds his soul, and clearly he hates Jacob for having placed him in perpetual limbo. There is a thin line between love and hate and a thin line between salvation and eternal damnation.

[innerSpaceman]

ok, so now the final episode (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0BnwGPvqdM) has been leaked and is all over the internet.

I had to watch it because I'm tired of waiting for nothing. Actually, it was better than I thought it would be. Mostly because it's tight storytelling for change. The whole episode is under 3 minutes long. Go ahead and watch. It won't spoil anything. There's nothing to spoil.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

How can you have the antepenultimate episodeI fixed it for you.

[Frikitiki]

OMG, Really....

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Sorry, I thought my powers of anal-retention were widely known.

I can use <AR> tags next time if that would help.

[innerSpaceman]

I think what bugs me most is that the season was finally beginning to pick up steam for me ... when there was a week's hiatus, followed by an action-packed episode full of main-character deaths that left me completely cold, then followed by an episode that has turned me off the season completely.


At this point, I have no enthusiasm to do costume and make-up for that Lost Supper I was invited to. I think I'm going to watch the finale at home alone. The show was just starting to gain some goodwill from me, and then went and completely lost it. (no pun)



I'll watch the last two episodes. But I'm basically done. It's Twin Peaks II, just like I've said since the beginning.

[mousepod]

For the record, I didn't hate this weeks' episode. In fact, I kinda liked it. Sure, I would have liked to see the 4 Losties plus MIL continue the action. Sure, I would have liked some more answers, rather than more questions. But I think it was a neat little fairytale insert that probably left a couple of cool clues that we'll need when the "truth" is revealed in the finale. And when I do get around to watching the whole thing on Blu-Ray, I'll enjoy the episode even more. Kind of like the "James the mechanic" episode of Twin Peaks. And I love Twin Peaks.

[sleepyjeff]

I found the mundane explanation of MIB's desire to leave the island (because he has always yearned to leave) to be very satisfying...and very human.

While that was a rare satisfactory answer it does beg another question....why won't Jacob just let him leave? Is MiB performing some vital function on the Island or is Jacob afraid of what MiB will do off the Island?

And it's not as simple as not wanting the smoke monster to leave the Island......MiB's mother did not want him to leave before he ever turned into smokie. She, in fact, killed a whole bunch of people to insure against it even.

Maybe she just wanted someone to watch the ol Savings and Loan so Potter wouldn't take over the town;)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I kind of liked the idea that all of this is just because their "mom" is insane...too bad the magic of the underground light was proven to us.

[sleepyjeff]

While that was a rare satisfactory answer it does beg another question....why won't Jacob just let him leave? Is MiB performing some vital function on the Island or is Jacob afraid of what MiB will do off the Island?

And it's not as simple as not wanting the smoke monster to leave the Island......MiB's mother did not want him to leave before he ever turned into smokie. She, in fact, killed a whole bunch of people to insure against it even.

Maybe she just wanted someone to watch the ol Savings and Loan so Potter wouldn't take over the town;)

Come to think of it, didn't George Bailey say his favorite 3 sounds were anchor chains, plane motors, and train whistles? Smokey makes those sounds:eek:

[bewitched]

why won't Jacob just let him leave? Is MiB performing some vital function on the Island or is Jacob afraid of what MiB will do off the Island?

And it's not as simple as not wanting the smoke monster to leave the Island......MiB's mother did not want him to leave before he ever turned into smokie. She, in fact, killed a whole bunch of people to insure against it even.



There are 2 different motivations at work. I think MIB's mother didn't want him to leave because A. she wasn't sure, until MIB killed her, which of the 2 brothers would be the new guardian of the island and B. she wanted her "sons" to remain "uncorrupted" by outside influences.

Jacob, on the other hand won't allow MIB to leave because he now holds too much of the light and, if the light is allowed to leave, "it will go out in all of us."

[bewitched]

Lost items soon to be up on ebay. (http://photos.tmz.com/)

[sleepyjeff]

There are 2 different motivations at work. I think MIB's mother didn't want him to leave because A. she wasn't sure, until MIB killed her, which of the 2 brothers would be the new guardian of the island and B. she wanted her "sons" to remain "uncorrupted" by outside influences.

Jacob, on the other hand won't allow MIB to leave because he now holds too much of the light and, if the light is allowed to leave, "it will go out in all of us."

Makes sense.

[sleepyjeff]

Todays Ponderable:

So, Sayid is telling Jack that Desmond is in a hole somewhere and that it is vitally important that Jack go to him; we also have Desmond running all over sidewaysland, Bonnevilling his way over the handicapped, stalking women who are 8.5 months preggers, and hooking up millionaires with the insane.......seems like he's a man with a mission.

But how does that jive with what he was told back in season 3?

MS. HAWKING: "You may not like your path, Desmond, but pushing that button is the only truly great thing that you will ever do".

[innerSpaceman]

Everything can be so easily "explained" by it being a lie.


Of course, when she said that - the sideways world may not have yet existed. But of course, "great thing" is in the eye of the beholder, and I think Desmond's done plenty of great things in both universes.

[sleepyjeff]

I'll watch the last two episodes. But I'm basically done. It's Twin Peaks II, just like I've said since the beginning.


Maybe it will end like Twin Peaks:



FLOCKE: "If you know what's good for you, don't move. The fool broke the rules; it's really no good if you don't volunteer. Doesn't count if you're coerced. He'll have to be punished....of course, that doesn't mean we have to let you go."


FLocke grins and is about to use the syringe on Jack when a hand reaches in to stop him.....it's Juliet! Suddenly we hear the sound of two tremendous energies colliding and a white light fills the room. Jack looks to kate and see's her calling out to him silently.

---------------------------

Fighting off fatigue, Sawyer moves around stretching. Looking back to a grove of trees near the Black Rock he sees someone lying on the ground. He run's to them, it's Jack and Kate lying unconscious.

SAWYER: "Jack, Jack,! What happened?"

(talking into a police radio) "Miles, get that ambulance up here right now!"

Kate is covered in blood.

"Jack, Jack, are you ok doc"
(sound of sirens in the distance....they sound sort of familiar)

Jack slowly opens his eyes.

--------------------------------------------------

Wearing pajamas Jack is lying in bed. Sawyer and Christian attend to him.

CHRISTIAN: "Here he is"
SAWYER: "Jack"
JACK: "where am I"

SAWYER: "Your home. Kate is going to be ok, she's at the hospital."

CHRISTIAN: "You've had quite a shock, but everything checks out, you'll be fine"

SAWYER: "Doc, I can't tell you how worried we were, I saw you disappear...."

JACK: Sit's up on the edge of the bed, looks at Sawyer for a long moment; "I need to brush my teeth"

SAWYER: "Ok doc, let me help you up"

-----------------------------------------

Jack walks slowly to the bathroom and closes the door. He squeezed some toothpaste on a brush and some more into the sink....he stares a long time at his reflection in the mirror.

Then, suddenly, he slams his head into the mirror......

the broken mirror reveals the reflection of MiB!

THE END

[mousepod]

50 Questions Lost Really Does Need To Answer (http://io9.com/5540279/50-questions-lost-really-does-need-to-answer)

[innerSpaceman]

It's Last Chance night. If I hate tonight's ep as much as I did the last two, I'm not going to any Final Episode parties. I won't be inspired to throw together a last-minute costume, that's for sure (especially since the one idea I took a liking to requires me to dye my hair).

Now, since I'm not a one who can even follow the questions, much less hope they are answered, let's have a look at that list ...

[SzczerbiakManiac]

In addition to the 2½ hour finale on Sunday, there are a couple other programs of note.

Prior to the finale, there's "Lost: The Final Journey", a two hour cast retrospective from 7:00p - 9:00p.

Then after the finale and news, there's a special version of Jimmy Kimmel Live entitled "Aloha to Lost" starting at Midnight. It'll feature appearances from executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse with "alternate endings" ;) of the show.

[Gemini Cricket]

8 Things Amelia McDonell-Parry (whoever that is) Will Not Miss About Lost (http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/05/18/not.miss.about.lost.tf/index.html)

Link contains spoilers about previous Lost episodes...

[Frikitiki]

On the official LOST podcast, Damon and Carlton said they only wrote one ending and had fun with the alternate endings.

[innerSpaceman]

Wow, that's quite a list. And say I was way more in touch with the series, and wanted just HALF of that list answered. It would be IMPOSSIBLE in two remaining episodes unless they were both just everyone sitting around a campfire listening to a lecture from Jacob's ghost.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I think watching The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus just before Lost is about to end was a bad idea. I think I'll just be spending the whole time wishing they'd swap in Chris Plummer and Tom Waits as Jacob and MIB. Now THAT would be something to watch.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

There are a lot of valid questions on that list. Some are dumb, though.

"Why was Charlie fated to die, exactly? What did Charlie's death accomplish, in the end?" Um, fate doesn't have to have a reason, or accomplish anything.

"Why was Libby in the same mental hospital as Hurley? What's her deal exactly? Why was she in Australia?" Does this really count as 3 questions? First question, um, because everyone intersects in the alt. timeline. Second, I'm not going to dignify with an answer. Third question I wouldn't count as something they "really have to answer". Who cares?

"It seems like everyone who was a passenger on Oceanic 815 has numerous connections that they don't even know about. Like Jack and Claire being half-siblings, and Sawyer's ex-girlfriend helping Kate confront her mom. What caused this excessive degree of synchronicity?" Wow, there may be no dumb questions, but this is a dumb one. Um, because, that's the crux of the show, that it's all about fate, that everyone is linked. It's like asking "why do the Losties keep getting split up and reuniting over and over again?" Because that's the show. Dumb.

God, I hate these lists.

[innerSpaceman]

George Lucas wrote a letter to the creators of Lost:

Congratulations on pulling off an amazing show. Don't tell anyone ... but when 'Star Wars' first came out, I didn't know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you've planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories -- let's call them homages -- and you've got a series.

In six seasons, you've managed to span both time and space, and I don't think I'm alone in saying that I never saw what was around the corner. Now that it's all coming to an end, it's impressive to see how much was planned out in advance and how neatly you've wrapped up everything. You've created something really special. I'm sad that the series is ending, but I look forward to seeing what you two are going to do next.


Um, yeah, George - it was a total secret that you hadn't planned it all out in advance, ever since you oh-so-cleverly had the plot in Empire Strikes Back contradict major story points in Star Wars. Sure looked like a plan to me. :p

[Cadaverous Pallor]

OMG, link please?? He ACTUALLY said that?? Fvck Lucas, FVCK HIM! :mad:

[innerSpaceman]

Since Lost exec producer David Lindelof's response to the letter is quoted here (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/lost-gets-a-letter-from-george-lucas.html), I have to assume the letter was legit.

[Moonliner]

George Lucas wrote a letter to the creators of Lost:




Um, yeah, George - it was a total secret that you hadn't planned it all out in advance, ever since you oh-so-cleverly had the plot in Empire Strikes Back contradict major story points in Star Wars. Sure looked like a plan to me. :p

The trouble with Lucas is that you would never be able to quantify the difference between him planning it all in advance and pulling it out of his arse as he goes along. The best I can tell is that both methods lead to the same result with him.

[innerSpaceman]

I must point out that American Graffiti and Star Wars were brilliant. Raiders of the Lost Ark also not bad (i.e., brilliant, but he didn't direct). So i think it was the chins that brought him down. More of a hack with each one.

[innerSpaceman]

T-Minus 15-minutes ... and I'm still reeling from what a wasted opportunity last week was.

[JWBear]

Hmmmmmmm....

[bewitched]

I so don't want it to be over yet I CANNOT WAIT for Sunday! :D

[BarTopDancer]

Gah! Is it Sunday yet?

I'm really glad I don't have to hide from the media because I'm playing MA.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

So. Spoilers ahead, duh.




When Jack volunteered, I was so sure he was going to be killed before he got ordained. I guess it's possible that he could still be killed...

I'm really enjoying Desmond's flipside character. Ben's little storyline was nice, too. Seeing Danielle was awesome.

However, it seems we haven't moved much closer at all. Jacob only said what we already know. I'm disappointed in the 4 remaining Losties not asking any questions, such as "WHY??" Why, why, why?

Though I guess the lesson I took from the last episode is that it's the blind leading the blind anyway.

[BarTopDancer]

Who the heck is the mother of Jack's son?!

[bewitched]

Who the heck is the mother of Jack's son?!

I'm going with Juliet. We've seen almost every other major character in the sideways world and they all either weren't intimately connected to Jack and/or don't make sense (such as Sarah, whom he didn't meet until 2001). Some time ago, Lindelof and Cuse said it was someone we already know.

Almost no one else we know of (other than Penny) is old enough to be David's mother since he is what 14-15? That means his mom would have to be mid to late 30s (unless she was a teen mother- unlikely). Also, Jack and Juliet, being of a like age, would have been in med school at about the same time making for an instant back story. Finally, the producers have been very pointed in making sure we know he has blue eyes and, out of all the blue eyed ladies we know, all but Juliet can be eliminated due to one or more of the preceding reasons (granted, neither parent must have blue eyes in order for the child to have blue eyes but I really feel that the blue eyes scream "clue").

[sleepyjeff]

However, it seems we haven't moved much closer at all. Jacob only said what we already know..


I know, it seems like this whole season the characters have been moving here and moving there but not really moving anywhere. If the point was to get all the characters to the right place for the final, that could have been accomplished a lot quicker(anyone ever see the movie Airport?....they moved characters and their stories much further than what Lost has done in the last two seasons in about 45 seconds)........unless, of course, they didn't really have any purpose to go here and there and not really go anywhere except to just stall until the season finale....sigh.

And if Ben is really on you know who's side now, doesn't that totally negate and make pointless one of the few really good episodes this year? I hope Ben is just playing MiB...but I have my doubts.

[sleepyjeff]

Oh, I just watched on Nightline a story about some of the worst TV finale's......are they prepping us for disapointment?

[Ghoulish Delight]

When Locked pulled out his phone to call the cops on Desmond, I turned to CP and said, "I just realized, with all the time they've spent in sideways land with LAPD, I'm surprised we haven't seen Ana Lucia." :) :)

I DID like the answer for why Kate's name was crossed off. That's about it. Everything else, meh. More trivial "answers" that just confirm the most straight-forward guesses and interpretations of what's going on and revealed nothing about the reasons and mechanisms.

[Ghoulish Delight]

When Locked pulled out his phone to call the cops on Desmond, I turned to CP and said, "I just realized, with all the time they've spent in sideways land with LAPD, I'm surprised we haven't seen Ana Lucia." :) :)

I DID like the answer for why Kate's name was crossed off. That's about it. Everything else, meh. More trivial "answers" that just confirm the most straight-forward guesses and interpretations of what's going on and revealed nothing about the reasons and mechanisms.

[katiesue]

Why did Ben insist on taking the walkie talkie to keep in touch with Miles? Do they have a plan? Did Miles take the explosives with him?

Did Richard get killed by the smoke monster? He's immortal right?

When Hurley recognized Ana Lucia, Desmond said "she's not ready yet". Does Hurley know what's going on?

[Frikitiki]

It did seem like Hurley was in on the plan and knows what's going on in the sideways.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Since they didn't show Richard actually dying I vote that he's still alive. Smokey just wanted him out of the way for the moment.

Looks like Hurley is on board. I wonder how Desmond knows exactly when and where to bump into everyone. That's some seriously specific info.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Since they didn't show Richard actually dying I vote that he's still alive. Smokey just wanted him out of the way for the moment.

Looks like Hurley is on board. I wonder how Desmond knows exactly when and where to bump into everyone. That's some seriously specific info.And more evidence that the Desmond were currently seeing is not the same one who was wearing a wedding ring.

My bet is that the Desmond we're currently seeing was/is going to be sent by Jack.

[JWBear]

Ben is in full con mode right now. I'm absolutly certain he's going to end up betraying Flocke.

I'm also thinking Richard is still alive.

Are we ever going to see Rose and Bernard on the island again?

[scaeagles]

Is Desmond the new Richard then? I would go that route rather than Richard is still alive.

[katiesue]

Is the non wedding ring Desmond the new Jacob? Off the island to set up something that will "fix" it?

What's with the cuts on Jacks neck?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm more excited about what's brewing in the alt timeline than what is going on in the Island (LOVE how that is all playing out), but I am looking forward to seeing how both will converge.

Jack assuming Jacob's role felt very anti-climatic, so I hope that was intentional.

I would have been surprised if Ben's vendetta against Widmore had just gone away, but if we're supposed to believe that Miles discovering Ben's "daughter's" grave caused him to about face EVERYTHING, I'll be pissed. HIs "because no one else will have me" episode was one of my favorite in the series. That said he's always been two-faced.

If Richard doesn't have a pivital role in the finale, his character will seem totally pointless in retrospect.

Lockeness Monster saying he wants to destroy the Island made me think of the opening scene, where we see the Island underwater. Always assumed that was the alt timeline, based on the bomb exploding and causing that re-boot, but now I'm wondering if it was foreshadowing the finale in some way.

[scaeagles]

Interesting....that would be quite something if Flocke wins. That mysterious first scene could indeed be a grand foreshadowing.

[Gemini Cricket]

Do you think there will be resolutions during the final episode or do you think they're going to hold out and make a movie with the answers in it?

[scaeagles]

Has there been talk of a movie to do that???? That would suck. I don't think it would suck if Flocke wins. That would be an interesting twist.

[BarTopDancer]

And more evidence that the Desmond were currently seeing is not the same one who was wearing a wedding ring.

Sideways Desmond hasn't met Penny yet. He is bringing Kate as his date to the concert that Penny is performing at.

[katiesue]

Sideways Desmond hasn't met Penny yet. He is bringing Kate as his date to the concert that Penny is performing at.

He met her already. Tracked her down at the stadium running.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Do you think there will be resolutions during the final episode or do you think they're going to hold out and make a movie with the answers in it?

I've read they pose as many new questions as they supply answers, but I will leave horse heads in the writers' beds if they have plans to follow up with a film. Twin Peaks anyone?!

[Gn2Dlnd]

Sideways Desmond hasn't met Penny yet. He is bringing Kate as his date to the concert that Penny is performing at.

I assumed the concert was the one with Jack's son, or, are Penny and Jack's son performing in the same concert? Which would make it very weird for Penny to be Jack's son's mother.

[BarTopDancer]

You're right and I also forgot that Sideways Desmond already met Penny at the arena (thanks KS!)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

What's with the cuts on Jacks neck?I don't know specifically, but there does seem to be some kind of injury "cross over" to the Sideways Jack. First there was the appendectomy scar he had no memory of, I think there was another cut on an earlier episode, and now the multiple minor lacerations on his neck.

[Gn2Dlnd]

I wonder how Desmond knows exactly when and where to bump into everyone. That's some seriously specific info.

I think Desmond has done this a few times, remember his "first" encounter with Jack? "See you in another life, brotha."

I wonder if Desmond ever got to see the movie "Groundhog Day."

[bewitched]

Interesting....that would be quite something if Flocke wins. That mysterious first scene could indeed be a grand foreshadowing.

There's also the possibility that the island ultimately has to be destroyed in order to prevent NotLocke from unleashing evil on/destroying the world.

[innerSpaceman]

Jack assuming Jacob's role felt very anti-climatic, so I hope that was intentional.

I rather liked the bare-bones way they went about it. It would have seemed stupid to me if they pretended there was some suspense - - like as if Jack wasn't going to replace Jacob from about the fifth episode of the series.

Anyway, they had the Ask Jacob Questions Around the Campfire scene that I've been waiting for all season. I can't really blame them for only covering the major, major questions - otherwise that scene would have had to have been a double episode all its own. Would have been fine by me, but I can see why they want to move things along at a brisker pace.


And I think Richard's alive (otherwise why not show it?), and I'm sure Ben is double-crossing Flocke. How much more could that have been telegraphed? Like I said, twists are fine - cheats are not. Ben is still on "our" side.

[BarTopDancer]

I think Richard is alive because he is like Jacob - immortal... or immortal to the point he has to be stabbed to die.

Do we know if Jack's son goes to the same school Locke and Ben teach at (and Alex attends)?

[Gemini Cricket]

The blond in this pic is Ashley. She's my cast mate for "Once Upon One Time". :)

[Ghoulish Delight]

I think Richard is alive because he is like Jacob - immortal... or immortal to the point he has to be stabbed to die.Unless everything prior has been a lie, Richard is still alive because Flocke can't kill him.

[Frikitiki]

I don't think Flocke could kill Richard, but the way the smoke monster parted like a fork and caught Richard by the throat. I'm wondering if Smokie could have pinned Richard to a tree with a branch through is hands or shoulders or something.

I'm also waiting to see one scene where the monster transitions between forms of Locke and smoke on screen.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Interesting thought:

There have been several warnings about not letting Smoked Lox talk to you before trying to kill him, that even one word seems to be enough to doom you to whatever that dooms you to.

Richard told Ben, "Let me talk to him, I know what he wants." Then Locke came in and did what no one else seems to be able to do to him...absolutely prevented Richard from talking to him.

So perhaps Smokey knows that the advantage one gains from talking is not Smokey's alone.

[innerSpaceman]

Hmm, that is kinda interesting. I don't think we'll ever find out. The time for answers is growing short. I liked last night's episode, but correct me if I'm wrong - the only answer we got was why Kate's name was scratched off the list.

Am I missing anything?

Again, assuming we've seen the last of Jacob - so no more Jacob campfires full of questiontime - I don't think we have time for more than four more answers at this point.


Which four would YOU most like?


(That's the general you, not necessarily Ghoulish Delight)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

I'm holding out hope for a Walt explanation.

[BarTopDancer]

1) Walt & Vincent
2) Rose & Bernard (unless I forgot we already learned that)
3) Why the numbers kept popping up earlier and why Hurley didn't give Anna Lucia $108Mil
4) Why the island is at the bottom of the ocean.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I'm holding out hope for a Walt explanation.I read a quote by Malcolm David Kelley (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/lost-gets-a-letter-from-george-lucas.html) wherein he said a growth spurt pretty much killed his chances at staying on Lost. He's almost 10 inches taller now than when the show began.

But I totally agree with you, I'd love to learn why Walt was so "special".

[Ghoulish Delight]

I read a quote by Malcolm David Kelley (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/lost-gets-a-letter-from-george-lucas.html) wherein he said a growth spurt pretty much killed his chances at staying on Lost. He's almost 10 inches taller now than when the show began.
Lazy. On a show with immortals and time travel they couldn't figure out a way to write around a growth spurt? Really?

[RStar]

I'm holding out hope for a Walt explanation.

His head is frozen and is under the Pirates of the Caribbean ride.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm holding out hope for a Walt explanation.

The ****ed up casting a kid and realized he would age too quickly. Heh. They could have done something with him, with the time travel, etc. But, I wouldn't hold your breath. I think that kid is a loose end.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Friend pointed out that Miles has never spoken to the Lockeness Monster.

The only things I still care about:

- Is the Island being under water a result of A) Juliette setting off the bomb, creating an ALT timeline/universe, or B) Was it foreshadowing Lockeness Monster destroying the Island, or C) A bit of both.

- Will the ALT timeline/universe converge with the Island timeline/universe, adding meaning to Juliette's last words, "It worked."

- Is this really all boiling down to a religious googly mook battle between "good" and "evil", with no explanation of the Magical Lightbulb Source of life other than "BECUASE IT'S THE MAGICAL LIGHTBULB SOURCE OF LIFE", or is it maybe some kind of virtual reality experiment?

- What is going on with Ben?

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I read a quote by Malcolm David Kelley (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/lost-gets-a-letter-from-george-lucas.html) wherein he said a growth spurt pretty much killed his chances at staying on Lost. He's almost 10 inches taller now than when the show began.

But I totally agree with you, I'd love to learn why Walt was so "special".

I'm not sure he was any more special than, say, Miles. Paranormal activity was always a part of the show, and Walt's character seemed a way to introduce that kind of phenomena, along with glimpses of dead people, random polar bear I Spys, etc.

And as for Rose and Bernard, when we saw them last they pretty much wanted to be left to their own devices, to live out their lives apart from all the drama. I wouldn't be surprised if they were only reintroduced at the very end with little more explanation than that, if at all.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

After all is done I'd love to hear what they had planned for Walt, though I assume any such plans were meshed into the show in other ways.

Now that Widmore is dead, I guess we have to believe what he said last about his motivations. Unsatisfying at best.

So far any "answers" we've been getting have been rather forced. More show and less tell would be nice. I'm worried the finale is going to be everyone standing around answering questions.

I cannot wait for the concert - seeing absolutely everyone in one place would be killer!

[Ghoulish Delight]

At which point the roof will lift off the concert hall to reveal that they are actually in a viewing gallery, being watched over by their captors

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/STTheCage.jpg


1412

[Frikitiki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggE4ImYwyc

a tribute to LOST.

[sleepyjeff]

I went to the New York Times Lost event tonite.......

A few observations:

1) Emmerson is a lot bigger looking on a stage with his producers than he looks on the show.......

2) The writers pretty much admit that ~Across the Sea~ sucked.

3) The writers also admit that many of the questions we will still have after the show is all done are due to writing mistakes they made, mostly in Seasons 2 and 3.

4) Damon reveals that the TV show that most inspired him to become a writer...........ISM is going to love this.................~Twin Peaks~

5) Garcia, when asked if he understood the ending, hinted that he wasn't sure if he got it or not, but then shrugged and said "yeah, I got it".

Wasn't a waste of time to go to this event, but I got in for free(wife, theater manager), not sure if it was really worth whatever they were charging people.....although they did show a sizeable clip from the finale, which was enjoyable, but not all that revealing.

Spoiler----contains a brief description of a scene from the final episode:


Sawyer confronts FLocke and Ben at the well. After exchanging pleasentries Sawyer steals a gun away from Ben...Flocke dismisses Sawyer with a neener-neener that all the candidates are going to die to which Sawyer says "I am not a candidate anymore"......this gives Flocke a mild pause, but he still doesn't care. After Sawyer leaves he explains to Ben that there will be no Island for Ben to Lord over, but if Ben stays with him, he can have a spot on Flockes boat after the Island sinks.

Then, inspecting the well a little closer, Flocke discovers paw prints:)

[SzczerbiakManiac]

2) The writers pretty much admit that ~Across the Sea~ sucked.Interesting. In the final Official Lost Podcast, Darlton discussed the episode and did not think it sucked. They did acknowledge it was a very controversial episode and they were shocked by the vehement reactions to it. But that was recorded a week ago and they could have changed their minds in the interim.

[innerSpaceman]

That episode SUCKED and there's no two ways about it. It put me off the entire season, and may be the entire show - - as it was, or should have been, obvious that is was one of the major, major episodes - and no fvckups were allowed. Yet it was a giant FAIL.

That some of the writers thought it sucked tells me that just don't give a damn.

And, at this point, neither do I.

[sleepyjeff]

Interesting. In the final Official Lost Podcast, Darlton discussed the episode and did not think it sucked. They did acknowledge it was a very controversial episode and they were shocked by the vehement reactions to it. But that was recorded a week ago and they could have changed their minds in the interim.

They didn't actually come out and say it sucked, but listening between the lines gave me the impression that they were embarrassed by it....and they were definitely practicing empathy towards those who thought it did.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Writing doesn't always turn out the way you want it to, though. I'm betting they thought everyone would love it, that it would be fitting to go back and show the island's history.

But just because JK Rowling loved Hagrid, it doesn't mean that we particularly care.

[sleepyjeff]

I did get one nice interesting tid-bit from last night; someone in the audience asked Damon if Widmore was really working with Jacob or was he just lying to Ben:



Damon answered, "well, anytime we want the audience to know something for sure we show it....like Jacob touching all the candidates....that happened. Jacob going to see Illana in the hospital...that happened. Other times we have a character say something happened that the audience has not seen with their own eyes. This means that either the character is lying or the character is telling the truth.

Have we given you, the audience, any reason to believe anything Charles Widmore says?"

(that was all paraphrased, btw, I don't remember word for word)

[Betty]

How does (did) Jacob leave the island? Will Jack be able to?

[Gemini Cricket]

I hope they don't do something dumb with the finale like the whole cut-to-black thing The Sopranos did.

I can't wait to see what the ratings are going to be like for the final show...

[innerSpaceman]

Writing doesn't always turn out the way you want it to, though. I'm betting they thought everyone would love it, that it would be fitting to go back and show the island's history.

But just because JK Rowling loved Hagrid, it doesn't mean that we particularly care.

Well, I think we largely like Hagrid because of the performance (as far as the movies go) .... and get it? Largely like??? :p


There was nothing wrong with the performances in Across the Sea. I mean, frickin' Allison Janney, c'mon! It was directed and edited well enough, too.


It was a terribly written script. Absolutely horrible, terrible, bad, awful and -worst of all - a complete and utter WASTE of the opportunity I had been looking forward to for a few years.

[sleepyjeff]

How does (did) Jacob leave the island? Will Jack be able to?

This has not been determined yet....in fact, how Richard and Mr. Friendly got off the Island is also still a mystery.

I hope they don't do something dumb with the finale like the whole cut-to-black thing The Sopranos did.



I do wonder what famous TV ending Lost will most resemble:

Will it all be a dream ala Rosanne?

Will it be a flight to a destination unknown ala Frasier?

Will it be uber sappy ala Friends?

Will it be toally stupid ala Seinfeld?

Will it be a Snow-globe ala St. Elsewhere?

Will it be someone looking in a mirror ala Twin Peaks:eek:

Will it be a song and dance number ala Return of the Jedi/Fraggle Rock;)

[BarTopDancer]

It won't be a dream and it won't be a snowglobe. Though with how hot Mark Harmon looks these days I wouldn't mind him showing up along side Sawyer and Jack.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Cats boil LOST's 6 seasons down to aprox. 1 minute. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DShnvNNv0&feature=player_embedded)

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Will it be a song and dance number ala Return of the Jedi/Fraggle Rock;)If I didn't need a nap so badly I'd write a version of Yub Nub with LOST inspired lyrics ;)

[innerSpaceman]

You have till Sunday night. ;)

[Frikitiki]

Great boil down with the Cats!!

[SzczerbiakManiac]

how Richard and Mr. Friendly got off the Island is also still a mystery.I thought they used the submarine.

[sleepyjeff]

I thought they used the submarine.

Perhaps Richard did, I'd have to go back and check the timeline........but no way Mr. Friendly used the sub.....he was off-Island when it was blown up but somehow got back in time to get himself shot.

[bewitched]

I'm holding out hope for a Walt explanation.

I read a quote by Malcolm David Kelley (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/lost-gets-a-letter-from-george-lucas.html) wherein he said a growth spurt pretty much killed his chances at staying on Lost. He's almost 10 inches taller now than when the show began.

But I totally agree with you, I'd love to learn why Walt was so "special".

Lazy. On a show with immortals and time travel they couldn't figure out a way to write around a growth spurt? Really?

The ****ed up casting a kid and realized he would age too quickly. Heh. They could have done something with him, with the time travel, etc. But, I wouldn't hold your breath. I think that kid is a loose end.

It has been reported that Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was on the set and will appear in the finale, presumably to tie up the "Walt" loose end.

[sleepyjeff]

It has been reported that Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was on the set and will appear in the finale, presumably to tie up the "Walt" loose end.



Yes; during the Thursday night NYTimes event Damon drops that a Star Wars reference will be made early in the finale.....to which Carlton freaks out on him for revealing.

A little later on Carlton lets it slip that Walt will be in the finale, to which Damon yells "Oh, I can't say anything about the Star Wars reference but you can drop the W bomb?!"

Then he jokingly says, "oh, it's on now, by the end of tonite everyone will know everything that's in the finale'"



:D

[Gn2Dlnd]

So, we've vacuumed the living room. The living room in which resides the big-ass hi-def tv on which BJ and I will be watching the Lost finale. I'll be ordering ribs from Mr. Cecil's in honor of the wild boar. Would you like to come over and watch the Lost finale with BJ and I in hi-def goodness on the big-ass tv while eating ribs? Would you? If so, bring some island food to share and wear your best island drag. Bring beverages. I'll make iced tea, coffee will be compliments of Peet's.

This will be a stfu viewing, with my finger hovering over the pause button. Commercial breaks will be time for loud speculation.

I know this is last minute and all, but it's not as if any of us could have seen this coming. By which I mean the vacuuming of the living room.

PM me, or call if you have my #. Or you can call Cherny for directions, if you have his #, though he will be banished to his room because he disdains Lost. We'll start with the pre-show, which, btw, will not be a stfu viewing. Show up when you want, latecomers will be seated during a suitable pause in the show.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Oh, eek! I am sorry to say that we won't be able to make it because we're hosting a (similarly) last-minute gathering for it as well. And, aw, I wish I'd known, because I hate hosting tandem parties, and we already have our food/decorations in the bag. (Though if anything should change for you guys or anyone else, you're all welcome to join us.)

[Gn2Dlnd]

You vacuumed too? :p

[sleepyjeff]

I've turned down all invites......I MUST have the remote when watching LOST:)

[BarTopDancer]

I haven't vacuumed my living room, or done any laundry. Or grocery shopping. And I'm supposed to go to Disneyland tomorrow and somehow watch the Sharks/Hawks game. Not sure how I will do it all. But whatever happens, I'll be in front of the teevee and offline after 7pm pacific so those east coast people who can't account for time differences don't spoil it.

[Frikitiki]

<24 hours until the end of LOST. I miss not seeing them around town at the various locations. I'll have to keep my eyes open for Hawaii 5-0 now.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

The shirtless men of Lost (http://videos.nymag.com/video/The-Men-of-Lost)

[scaeagles]

I'm haven't looked but I'm guessing Hurley isn't in the gallery.

[innerSpaceman]

Well, I'm off to the Last Lost. I can't recall when there's last been an everyone-around-the-tv moment like this. It seems a sweet relic of a bygone era.

I confess I won't be too torn up to have Lost be part of a bygone era. It's been a really fun ride, but I'm glad to bid adieu.

[innerSpaceman]

The shirtless men of Lost (http://videos.nymag.com/video/The-Men-of-Lost)

P.S. Sawyer is NOT hot with his shirt off.



The title of hottest shirtless lostie goes to Sayed without much stiff competition.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Hmm, after watching that montage, I think I'd give the Hottest With Shirt Off award to Desmond.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Bye bye, internet. Radio silence until after the fact. Love to all y'all Losties!!

[Bornieo: Fully Loaded]

So, what happend?

[BarTopDancer]

A plane crashed and 6 years later we know how it ends.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Lots and lots of crying.

Most of it was so great, totally perfect. I did have my issues with it but man, what a ride.

We're supposed to go to sleep now??

[mousepod]

First reaction: A Season 6 finale that answered all the questions raised in the subplot of season 6. Hmmm. Emotionally satisfying, but I can't help but remember the whole argument during season 1 about the island being Limbo. So the big answer was that the flash-sideways is limbo... but what's the island? Intellectually disappointing.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I was on board for a lot. I'll admit to getting choked up at some.

Minus points for the 6 seasons of sloppy writing that forced them to do the 2hr pre-show to get everyone back on track. But they win a few of those points back for it being a fairly decent recap and a decent save.

Minus a few more points for the ending. Slapping a "coexist" bumper sticker on a big shiny crucifix does not nondenominational make. Bleh. I'd have been fine with the religiosity if they hadn't leaned do heavily on such purely Christian elements.

But all that said, I'm not disappointed with the whole package. They did a good job of reminding me why I gave a crap about the relationships, and making me give a crap about them again. Again, I would have been happier had they not made me forget in the first place, and I didn't love everything about how they wrapped them up, but it was enough for me to give them credit for creating some good story arcs.

And I'll cede CP's point about the crappy origins episode. Jack is the protector because Jacob said he is. Jacob was the protector because Jacob's mom was the protector. Jacob's mom was the protector because she was told so by the previous protector, and that previous protector told by the previous...

Didn't blow my mind, but didn't leave me angry. Plus, I can't wait for the "Hurley and Ben" animated series.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

First reaction: A Season 6 finale that answered all the questions raised in the subplot of season 6. Hmmm. Emotionally satisfying, but I can't help but remember the whole argument during season 1 about the island being Limbo. So the big answer was that the flash-sideways is limbo... but what's the island? Intellectually disappointing.

Words outta my mouth

I do wonder if they planned for the Island to be Limbo and then were thrown by that being the obvious guess.

I have problems with it but found some emotional satisfaction. I suppose I like that the alt reality was the weird and the weird Island was the real. Heh. Ut there were many inconsistencies and odd ends tied (Sayid's person was Shannon? Really?).

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Also, I can't believe I never saw the joke in Christian Shepards name. And, GD, big fat laugh at the coexist sticker on the cross remark.

[Gemini Cricket]

The big stained glass window with all of the religious symbols was interesting. I know for a fact that the church/chapel/whatever at Sacred Hearts Academy does not have that window in it. Catholic all girls school. My older sister went to that school. The other day, I passed by the school and noticed all the trailers. I said to myself, hmm that's a lot of trailers, it must be a big shoot. Yep, there was a reason all the trailers were there. They shot around the clock that day. They had huge lights outside that made it look like sunlight outside... at around 11pm at night. lol

[sleepyjeff]

Last week we find Miles and Richard took several days(half a season, anyway) to "find" Newotherton, but this week they expect everyone to join them over on a whole other island in one hour??????

Are you freaking kidding me......the writing on this show got exponentially
worse every single episode:mad:


Still not sure how I feel about the ending.........seems more like they didn't even answer the questions they set up this year, let alone years ago to any sort of real satisfaction.........but, like others have said, emotionally, it did sort of work, even though intellectually I feel sorta robbed.

[scaeagles]

Loved the episode up until the Christian/Jack scene in the church. Was a little disappointed that it was Kate that killed Flocke, but that's OK.

So who wasn't in the church at the end? Was it only original losties who were? And no one from the tail section? No Ana Lucia, no Mr. Eko.

So why did Ben shoose not to go?

[Alex]

Now that it's over I can finally start watching. I'm thinking maybe I'll do it Memento style and watch in reverse order.

[RStar]

Loved the episode up until the Christian/Jack scene in the church. Was a little disappointed that it was Kate that killed Flocke, but that's OK.

So who wasn't in the church at the end? Was it only original losties who were? And no one from the tail section? No Ana Lucia, no Mr. Eko.

So why did Ben shoose not to go?

Micheal and Walt weren't there, even though there were reports of Walt being on the set. Although Vincent the dog showed up by Jack's side on the island.

In case someone would read this thread before seeing it:

When Christian *snicker* Shepard said "There is no NOW here" and Hugo told Ben he WAS a great #2, and Ben replied you WERE a great #1, I got the feeling that the gathering at the church was 1) Not in the present but in the future, or 2) was in a place outside of time altogether. Ben wasn't yet ready to go, so the future sounds more reasonable.

[Moonliner]

So to sum up for those of us that only watched the first two or three episodes of season 1...


Everyone died in the plane crash and the island is purgatory?

[innerSpaceman]

I rather liked it, and not just because I was right all along.

In that, the show was about a limbo of sorts. It was clearly about that in the first season, and clearly about that in the last. That they shifted the "location" of limbo from the island to a sideways universe does not change the story --- especially since they only thing they were able to "wrap up" was the limbo storyline -- while there was no wrap-up whatsoever of The Island.

That didn't bother me. I don't much care which question is "answered" and which mystery is left unsolved. I like that the finale engendered a lot of conversation and theorizing at Heidi and Tom's most excellent Last Lost party. And unlike some of the recent episodes that were supposed to be emotionally affective (but did not hit me as such), this one packed a punch of strong feelings for me.

I was a little meh about the demise of anti-locke, and of course revealing "the light" to be yet another set-piece ("the cork") was no revelation at all. But these were quibbles in an otherwise rather fine episode. The Christian religiosity certainly didn't bug me - - limbo and purgatory are essentially Christian concepts.


Um, one question occurred to me - and maybe I just missed it: Did they show what became of Island Desmond after he was pulled out of the Cork Cave? I mean, Ben and Hugo team up for Lost, the Animated Series. Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Richard, Miles and Lapides escape on the plane. Jack dies. Did they ever show Desmond again? Did he just wander off into the woods? Did he have a delayed reaction time-shift that he was expecting?

:confused:

I think the limbo matrix co-created by the Losties would have seemed more plausible if it was just the tight group of Losties who had been through so much together. Bringing in Boon and Shannon and the neighbor's cat was a little silly, imo. So was Sayid and Shannon getting together for the afterlife, as if she were the love of his soul, instead of the quick fling they once shared (which, had it not been for their touch-flash, I would not have even remembered!)


Quibbles and bits. I liked it. Christian Shepard's final appearance was a bit more powerful, experiencing it with two other people who have recently lost a parent. The writers couldn't have scripted that, but I think it infused the ending with a certain oomph for us.

A surprising thumbs-up from me.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I think we are to assume that Desmond took Lockness Monster's boat, since he knew how to sail.

I only wish the Island had been Limbo, as I think planned. Jack seeing his Dad, Locke being able to walk, Walt reading a comic that included a polar bear and essentially manifesting one, and the whispers (which reminded me of The Others), all seem to be evidence of this plan. Seems like the writers went out of their way to convince us otherwise when so many of us guessed that, creating a diversion that looks in retrospect like very bad writing. But I don't mind that the show was about flawed people coming together, forming various kinds of relationships, and coming to terms with themselves. Purpose of the show stays true but I maintain it would probably have worked better if they hadn't gone so far out of their way to tell it.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Yeah, I think you guys are all right on with the shoulda-been-limbo-all-along argument.

I was surprised how much I enjoyed the episode - I was right with it throughout the whole episode... right up until Jack opened the coffin in Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Chapel. At that moment, I knew what was going on - but I was in my head, grieving for that moment I'm not sure I'll ever get with my mom. (Side note - it was the anniversary of her death and I hadn't really processed that fact until that moment.) Pulled me out of the episode completely, so I'm not sure I've got a response to the series ending. It ended. They didn't answer stuff. I liked the emotional satisfaction. I feel kind of manipulated. But they focused on the characters, and since that was my biggest argument against the Jacob/Brother episode, I probably feel somewhat OK.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

So much to post.

Seems apparent that everyone who watched it now knows that the original idea was limbo, and when people called it on them they flinched. The really sh.tty thing is that in creating another reality that is then limbo, the TV show about the island is completely pointless. You could end ANY story with "and when they died eventually, either in the circumstance or long since, they all met up in the afterlife." The show could have been about anything, at all.

Speaking of rendered pointless - as EH mentioned above, Shannon and Sayid?? What about Sayid and his amazing story of love in war torn Iraq? I always adored his backstory and to have that swept under the rug for bimbo Shannon is pathetic. I'm also annoyed that this "one true love" thing affects how we view Kate and Sawyer's relationship, which they again worked so hard to build up. When Kate and Jack separated I thought they made it abundantly clear that they weren't meant for each other. One could argue misdirection, but I argue lameness.

Shannon and Boone get to take their bows, but not even a cameo from Michael and/or Walt. And what about Mr. Eko? If Rose weren't there you could practically accuse the writers of racism.

I said to GD earlier that this show wrapped up the emotional side of the show but left the mental side untouched...but now I'm thinking that it wrapped up only certain aspects of the emotional side.

It was incredible for the first two-thirds or so. All the flashing rememberances were so emotional, so real. As they flashed, we flashed, we remembered that we've been there, with them, for so long. For all the movie and literary references this show has brought to mind, I kept thinking of The Neverending Story last night - from breathlessly staying in touch with these characters to the world collapsing. I even turned to GD during the island destruction moments and said "It's The Nothing!" Seeing as how the cork/light etc remain wonderfully nebulous, "The Nothing" is an especially appropriate name.

Still, Sun and Jin truly reunited, Hurley going to get Charlie, even Juliet and Sawyer (which I give credit to the actors for, as I had a hard time buying into them at all), and my God, the Charlie/Claire/Aaron part....such powerful stuff.

Yeah, total sap for childbirth scenes now. :D I was laughing and BAWLING. Never mind that I adored them way back when and it's been so long!...

Just thinking about it all, it's a rollercoaster.

[mousepod]

Here I was midway through Season 6 thinking the sideways was "The Last Temptation of Christ", when it turned out to be "Jacob's Ladder".

[innerSpaceman]

Bwahaha.

Oh, and I take back what I said about the inhabitants of cooperatively-created limbo. There were so many side characters from the Island there this season that it's obviously a catch-all limbo for ex-Islanders, and not at all created merely by people close to one another.


Of course, CP is right that the show could have taken place anywhere, and I suppose I'm a bit disappointed that the Island didn't figure into anything but "stuff happened." But I've felt along that the story was just a bunch of stuff happening, cool stuff meant to perplex and confound and entertain and intrigue - - but never with any real "answers" or "solutions" ever conceived by the writers. It was all a fun detour of questions and mysteries taken from the limbo story first being told, and finally returned to at the end.


I both enjoyed it and get to be smug about it. I'm a happy ex-Lostian.



So now I'll sip my leftover bottle of Dharma water, and ponder the show for the rest of the day. Of course, Dharma labels were on 90% of the foodstuffs last night, including dozens of different, individually (re-)wrapped chocolates. Everyone was handed an Oceanic Flight 815 boarding pass upon arrival, and their names were crossed off from a wall which listed all the anticipated guests. I was reluctant to eat any of the biscuits with The Numbers carved into them, but eventually consumed #8, and I think #15 was left over at the end of the night - if that portends anything. The Clucky's chicken was ultra-yummy, the costumes were adorable, and the company grand. Thanks again to H & T for a wonderful send-off to this great show which has annoyed me and entertained me for such an epic run.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

So now I'll sip my leftover bottle of Dharma water, and ponder the show for the rest of the day. Of course, Dharma labels were on 90% of the foodstuffs last night, including dozens of different, individually (re-)wrapped chocolates. Everyone was handed an Oceanic Flight 815 boarding pass upon arrival, and their names were crossed off from a wall which listed all the anticipated guests. I was reluctant to eat any of the biscuits with The Numbers carved into them, but eventually consumed #8, and I think #15 was left over at the end of the night - if that portends anything. The Clucky's chicken was ultra-yummy, the costumes were adorable, and the company grand. Thanks again to H & T for a wonderful send-off to this great show which has annoyed me and entertained me for such an epic run.

Hear, hear! Thanks, Heidi and Tom! Was grand fun.

[Ghoulish Delight]

I'm satisfied that, at the core, we were left with an essentially episodic world, populated by some interesting characters with some pretty complex emotions and motivations.

I'm unsatisfied that they set up a framework that promised to deliver something more overreaching than that. Something that offered a view on religion and a view on science that could have been interesting. Instead it felt like they gave up and resorted to hand waving, leaving a muddled, incomplete thought behind.

They knew they had solid characters and thought they could use that as a foundation for something grander. They never quite collected their thoughts enough to get there. Fortunately, they were still left with that solid foundation.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Any pics of the party? If not, I want to hear more. :) Costumes?



I both enjoyed it and get to be smug about it. I'm a happy ex-Lostian.Hehe, I can dig that. :snap:

[innerSpaceman]

I wish I'd thought to take pictures. As usual when I'm having a good time, thoughts of photography go by the wayside.

My drowned-Charlie costume didn't pan out, but there was a Locke/Anti-Locke, a Hurley, a fifth-season Jack complete with bushy beard, pills and booze, a really good Daniel Faraday, and a Zoe (is that the name of Widmore's assistant whom I was so happy to see throat-slashed last week?)


Our names on the wall was my favorite touch, I think. I hated to cross mine off, but I really don't want to be a candidate for anything. I'm gonna treasure my Oceanic boarding pass though. Glad I remembered to swipe it, but so upset I forgot to see the KITTIES. Aaaarrrraggghghg!!!

[Ghoulish Delight]

By the way, who here watched the 2hr pre-show?

We did. While in the middle of it I found myself sort of wishing I wasn't watching it. I've purposely avoided the podcasts and such. I'm a TV show purist in the sense that I want what I need to know to be shown on screen during your allotted time slot. I want to see the show and decide what it means to me, not have the producers hold my hand and tell me what they want me to get out of it. If they can't communicate that within the confines of the show, then they've failed at creating their show. So I was kinda bummed that I was going into the finale with that "guidance" for the first time.

But in the end I was glad I watched it. I still take the points away for it needing to be there. But the show had gone wildly off track, and watching that helped me focus on what the creators and writers considered the important elements and forget about the extra stuff they tried on for size but never got to fit. Even if a lot of what they defined as important was only so in hindsight, I took it as, "Here are things we tried that worked and aided the themes that we had in mind, don't worry so much about the stuff we tried that didn't. Our bad."

[scaeagles]

So....I'm curious. Does anyone have a specific way they wished it had ended?

I was somehow hoping that the two sideways timelines would merge and they would all end up back on the island. There was never really an explanation of how the people at the temple ended up at the temple. I was hoping for a sort of Matrix-like regeneration of Zion....that this group of people would end up back on the island, but they would be the inhabitants of the temple. The people who understood what the island was and what the powers of the island were....almost becoming the others to anyone else who ended up on the island.

Maybe that's lame....don't know. I just wasn't happy with the walk off into the light thing.

[Pirate Bill]

Am I the only one that was really annoyed by what seemed like extra commercial breaks? And yet when I do the math it had the typical amount of commercials (Actual running time: 105 minutes. A typical 1 hour show has a 42 min runtime. So 105 minutes would be right for a 2-1/2 hour block.) But boy, all the commercials were ruining the experience for me.

Maybe it's because a 1 hour show has a 7 act structure (with 5 breaks) while movies with no breaks have a 3 act structure. This was movie length with more breaks than I bothered to count. Structure? It was painful. I need to watch it again without all the breaks.

Other than that it was pretty satisfying. It seems like most of the mysteries have been left unsolved. Not that I need to have them all solved, but I mean, we still don't know MIB's name. But I seem to be okay with that.

The sideways world seemed a little bit too much like a reunion show. Lots of "good to see you again," and "you did great," and "I've missed you so much." It just seemed too meta. The flashes where they remembered their previous life were touching though.

I want to see the Hurley and Ben spin-off series.

[Ghoulish Delight]

The people who understood what the island was and what the powers of the island were....almost becoming the others to anyone else who ended up on the island.You'll have to tune into the animated series to find out.

I think the only big thing that I'm bugged about them leaving unanswered is the gap between the massacre of the Dharma project and the Others inhabiting Dharmaville. All very murky and confusing. And frustrating that it goes away with a bunch of, "eh, the island was what you bring with you" hand waving. I'm not broken up about it, just wish I knew what they were thinking when they set all that up.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Am I the only one that was really annoyed by what seemed like extra commercial breaks?
DVR.

I want to see the Hurley and Ben spin-off series."Hurley! Did you eat all the mangoes again?"
"Guess I have to fess up, dude. There's no one else here."
"Huuurleeeeeeey!!"
*wumpwoe music cue*

It writes itself. And yeah, absolutely must be animated. Think Beetlejuice, or Clerks.



That, and James Ford, Detective. Gritty but always ends with James patting Miles on the back, saying with a grin, "Son of a BITCH!"

[Gemini Cricket]

I hope no one actually tries to dive into the water where Sawyer and the lady who killed Locke did. That area is hugely dangerous and there are rocks just beneath the water. People commit suicide in that area all the time. Also, they are quite the swimmers. They swam 41 miles. :D

And iSm is wrong. Sawyer is hot with or without his shirt.
:D

[mousepod]

I'm glad I got to see the characters make their journey. That was nice.

I'm also glad that I don't need to buy the BD set of the complete series... there's absolutely no need to watch it again. It's amazing when you consider that most of the discussions about the show for the past six years have been about "the mystery", which turned out to be the biggest MacGuffin in TV history.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Also, they are quite the swimmers. They swam 41 miles. :DNo, they swam to the boat.

Ooh, remembered another thought - throughout the series, Jack would say "this is what I am supposed to do, this is what is supposed to happen" and be totally wrong. For him to push Desmond out of the way and say he knew he was the one who should plug the hole left me wondering that perhaps he was wrong. Maybe if he just let Desmond do it, they could have both lived. I kind of like that ambiguity. It ties into what GD's been saying about Jack's flaws. Jack finally learned to deal with the possibility of being wrong.

[Gemini Cricket]

No, they swam to the boat.

Ah. That's what that boat was doing there.
:D


Question:
So after Jack shoved the stone carrot into the hole, the only way for him to get out was by climbing the rope or did he do a water flume out? I was kind of confused by him being on the rocks and all dry and all that.

Also, dogs = cool. That's the message Lost has been trying to convey all this time.
:D

[Pirate Bill]

DVR.

I do, and I did. But a break to skip past the the commercials is still a break. And while less annoying than a 4 minute wait, it's an interruption to the flow.

The Target commercials caught our attention and I did back up to watch those. Hilarious!

So after Jack shoved the stone carrot into the hole, the only way for him to get out was by climbing the rope or did he do a water flume out?

I think there's a way out downstream. He got flushed just like MIB's body.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I'm glad I got to see the characters make their journey. That was nice.

I'm also glad that I don't need to buy the BD set of the complete series... there's absolutely no need to watch it again. It's amazing when you consider that most of the discussions about the show for the past six years have been about "the mystery", which turned out to be the biggest MacGuffin in TV history.

The Island *was* Kaiser Soze!

At least at the end. At the beginning, I think it was Limbo. I am going to whine about all day today, and then I'll shuddup about it.

[Gemini Cricket]

I posted this on FB already but...

The series finale of "Lost" entailed all of the characters waking up in bed with the late Suzanne Pleshette.

:D

[innerSpaceman]

I hope no one actually tries to dive into the water where Sawyer and the lady who killed Locke did. That area is hugely dangerous and there are rocks just beneath the water. People commit suicide in that area all the time. Also, they are quite the swimmers. They swam 41 miles.
Oops, I hope the show doesn't inspire any copycats.

No, they swam to the boat.
Ok, so if they swam to the boat ... that means Desmond didn't take the boat.

WTF happened to Desmond??!?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Ben and Hurley pulled him up.

Ben: "Desmond is going to be ok. Maybe you can help get him off the island."
Hurley: "But you can't leave the island."
Ben" "That was Jacob's way. Perhaps there's a different way. A better way."

Then Ben stabbed Hurley in the face and jumped down the island's light-hole to become Smokey 2. Ok, not that, but the rest happened.

[JWBear]

WTF happened to Desmond??!?

Hurley used his island superpowers to send him back to live happily ever after with Penny and little Charlie. That's how it is in my happy place, and I'm sticking to it!

As for the finale... I was underwhelmed. The "Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Chapel" ending had me rolling my eyes.

Six years worth of questions, and very little pay-off. Blegh.

[RStar]

By the way, who here watched the 2hr pre-show?

We did. While in the middle of it I found myself sort of wishing I wasn't watching it. I've purposely avoided the podcasts and such. I'm a TV show purist in the sense that I want what I need to know to be shown on screen during your allotted time slot. I want to see the show and decide what it means to me, not have the producers hold my hand and tell me what they want me to get out of it. If they can't communicate that within the confines of the show, then they've failed at creating their show. So I was kinda bummed that I was going into the finale with that "guidance" for the first time.

But in the end I was glad I watched it. I still take the points away for it needing to be there. But the show had gone wildly off track, and watching that helped me focus on what the creators and writers considered the important elements and forget about the extra stuff they tried on for size but never got to fit. Even if a lot of what they defined as important was only so in hindsight, I took it as, "Here are things we tried that worked and aided the themes that we had in mind, don't worry so much about the stuff we tried that didn't. Our bad."I'm glad I watched it as well. I also watched the "Enhanced" (POP-up) pilot eppy on Sat. I'm glad I did, cause I picked up on stuff I might well have forgotten. Little things like the shoe hanging in the bamboo forest where Jack landed (and went to die), and how the very first scene was Jack opening his eye, and it ended with him closing it.

Am I the only one that was really annoyed by what seemed like extra commercial breaks?.Yes, but the Target ads were good, as Bill mentioned.

Did anyone get the "enhanced pop-ups" on their cell phones through Verizon? That was pretty fun as well.

[Gemini Cricket]

I was waiting for Jack to realize that he was wearing ruby slippers all along.


Okayokayokay. I give. I'm going to start inquiring around here in Honolulu who has all the "Lost" seasons so far on DVD so I can borrow them...

[innerSpaceman]

Um, CP, I meant after that. Once they pulled Desmond up, what happened to him? He simply disappeared. If he was going to Desmond-disappear, they should have left him in the cork room where that was supposed to happen. Instead, sloppy writing or editing had them "save" him only to have him completely disappear with no explanation.

And it was stupid having Jack "save" Desmond, since he knew full well that Desmond can withstand the energy of The Light, and all he had was a hit on the head - while Jack had a fatal stab wound. Dumb.


Stupid editing and poor post-production compensation were also responsible for Ben escaping the unescapable tree fall. Lame.



scaeagles - I would have liked it much better, too, if the sideways timeline actually converged with the Island. I think them all being dead the whole time in the sideways world of matrix-fantasy was a cop-out, and kinda too creepy.

In that sense, did Juliette's detonation of the nuclear bomb really "work?" Faraday was wrong. Flight 815 didn't go on to land safely in Los Angeles. I suppose it was successful in that the Island did not blow up, and I guess the Dharma-stuck Losties were all catapulted forward in time to meet up with the other present-day Losties. But I'm not happy that Faraday was made wrong and the alt timeline is just where most Islanders go when they eventually die.


I'm just happy to be right that the story was about Limbo the whole time and though the writers can create a lot of good stuff, they were pulling most of that stuff out of their asses.

[Frikitiki]

I posted this on FB already but...

The series finale of "Lost" entailed all of the characters waking up in bed with the late Suzanne Pleshette.

:D
Check out Jimmy Kimmel's alternate LOST endings at the end of the show. They were very funny!

The whole Kimmel set reminded me of a Survivor reunion show. Sort of fitting.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

I hope ABC broadcasts a pop-up finale soon.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

They left the boat behind. Surely Desmond found it and used that to meet up with Penny. But I am sure there will be an extended version of the final on DVD, so maybe we'll see that along with Ben being freed from the tree that could not be moved.

[innerSpaceman]

Yeah, left the boat behind once they were on Gilligan's Island, or whatever that neighbor island is called. How would Desmond get there from the Mystery Island? Um, he's kind of a major character. They had just had a scene where they pulled him up by a rope. Oh, but Hurley screamed "No" when he realized it wasn't Jack. Did he throw him back down?? Is that the kind of Jacob he's gonna be??


Anyway, Very.Sloppy.

[scaeagles]

Oh, but Hurley screamed "No" when he realized it wasn't Jack. Did he throw him back down?? Is that the kind of Jacob he's gonna be??

That would be hysterical. Hurley is the new Ben-Flocke-Jacob combo.

ETA: It's fun to go back and read through the beginning of this thread....from May/June of 2005 at the end of season 1.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Anyway, Very.Sloppy.
I don't think it was sloppy, I think it was purposely indeterminate. The answer lies in the Ben and Hurley Variety Hour. He remained on the island, trying to get off, with the help of Hurley as the new #1 (btw, I'm assuming the "#2", "#1" exchange was a nod to The Prisoner), all the while dealing with new arrivals, helping the ones who deserve it and deciding if any of them are worthy of taking over for Hurley so that he can die and join everyone else.

[Gemini Cricket]

I was trying to figure out the whole tree falling on that guy thing. He looked like he was squished but he was really fine.

All the falling rocks reminded me of the classic Star Trek TV series.

[BarTopDancer]

1) Walt & Vincent
Half answered.
2) Rose & Bernard (unless I forgot we already learned that)
Does that mean Rose and Bernard died when the island was destroyed? I know that Desmond obtained Floke's "word" that he would leave them alone.
3) Why the numbers kept popping up earlier and why Hurley didn't give Anna Lucia $108Mil
Kinda answered in the recap - they turned into easter eggs.
4) Why the island is at the bottom of the ocean.
Answered.

[Gemini Cricket]

An early report...
13.5 million watch "Lost" finale (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2010/05/lost-finale-cops-135-million-v.html)
I was expecting a whole lot more...
Hmm.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Um, CP, I meant after that. Once they pulled Desmond up, what happened to him? He simply disappeared. I still don't get what you're referring to as a disappearance. They pulled him up and the next time they show Ben and Hurley, Desmond is lying unconscious on the ground. That's when Ben says Desmond's going to be ok, etc as I mentioned above. Is there a scene with those guys after that that I'm forgetting?

I was a little taken aback at Hurley's reaction to seeing Desmond instead of Jack. If the line were just "Desmond?" instead of "NO!" it wouldn't make him seem as bad.

Speaking of Bigfoot - GD pointed out to me that Hurley doesn't really have any flaws, so how is mixed up in all this mess anyway?

I like 98% of what this guy (http://www.theawl.com/2010/05/43-answers-to-unanswered-questions-about-%E2%80%9Clost%E2%80%9D) says.

Unneccessarily Censored LOST (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=39413375&msgid=322867&act=OW35&c=461487&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.todaysbigthing.com%2F 2010%2F05%2F24%3Futm_source%3Dnewsletter%26utm_med ium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Ddaily)

[Ghoulish Delight]

Okayokayokay. I give. I'm going to start inquiring around here in Honolulu who has all the "Lost" seasons so far on DVD so I can borrow them...
Don't all Hawaiian residents get a copy? Like the oil money in Alaska?

Speaking of Bigfoot - GD pointed out to me that Hurley doesn't really have any flaws, so how is mixed up in all this mess anyway?I suppose his flaw is allowing himself to become controlled by his belief in "the curse", an inability to take responsibility for making the best of his life despite any bad luck he might have. Still seems like a weak flaw compared to everyone else's.

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Very well written review.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23805/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-LOST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

[innerSpaceman]

Ah, thanks, CP. I didn't remember he was seen lying unconscious and they made a remark about it. And I guess I didn't read your earlier post clearly enough.


BTD: How was Island Underwater answered? We were left puzzling about that. Some people said that's just how it was in the sideways universe. But if the sideways universe is simply a matrix limbo where no one even KNOWS ABOUT the Island, how is the Island somehow underwater?

[BarTopDancer]

Loving the links!

BTD: How was Island Underwater answered? We were left puzzling about that. Some people said that's just how it was in the sideways universe. But if the sideways universe is simply a matrix limbo where no one even KNOWS ABOUT the Island, how is the Island somehow underwater?
I *think* that when they pulled the cork out of the island and it started shaking it eventually sank. We saw the plane take off and there were cracks in the ground (that reminded me of the Tommyknockers - no idea why) and Jack put the cork back in. The water reappeared with the light, we see Jack escape back into the forest and died. I think somewhere after that the island sank.

That's just my interpenetration of what happened, and it's probably completely wrong.

[sleepyjeff]

Loving the links!


I *think* that when they pulled the cork out of the island and it started shaking it eventually sank. We saw the plane take off and there were cracks in the ground (that reminded me of the Tommyknockers - no idea why) and Jack put the cork back in. The water reappeared with the light, we see Jack escape back into the forest and died. I think somewhere after that the island sank.



Then Hurley and Ben were Island guardians for an even shorter span of time than Jack?

[Ghoulish Delight]

That's just my interpenetration of what happened, and it's probably completely wrong.
No, Jack putting the cork back in stopped it from sinking. The island underwater was (according to the pre-show) just a way of saying, "This is what life would have been like if the island didn't exist."

[sleepyjeff]

BTD: How was Island Underwater answered? We were left puzzling about that. Some people said that's just how it was in the sideways universe. But if the sideways universe is simply a matrix limbo where no one even KNOWS ABOUT the Island, how is the Island somehow underwater?

I suppose that sometime along the way, Hurley and Ben failed to protect the Island like Crazy lady, Jacob and Jack.

Instead of treating everyone with the highest suspicion, maybe when someone wanted to tap into the Island's energy source Hurley, rather than go all "hostile" on them, instead just served sandwiches;)

[innerSpaceman]

Very well written review.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23805/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-LOST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

Oh.



EH1812, you were right and I was wrong.



I'm still smug about me being right about the series all along, though.

[Gemini Cricket]

Don't all Hawaiian residents get a copy? Like the oil money in Alaska?

Well, apparently they're overstocked on classic Hawaii 5-0 and Magnum P.I. DVDs. Once they get through passing those out, then they'll start on Lost. I hear that with every Lost DVD that they give out they'll also include DVDs from Jake and the Fatman and Byrds of Paradise (LOTS of those, I hear).
:D

[sleepyjeff]

No, Jack putting the cork back in stopped it from sinking. The island underwater was (according to the pre-show) just a way of saying, "This is what life would have been like if the island didn't exist."

Which is weak if you ask me.....they're trying to tell us parts of the sideways flashes were "what life would have been like if the island didn't exist" and other parts are a "place created to meet up with the people who matter most"???:confused:

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Very well written review.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23805/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-LOST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.htmlOof.

I do feel much the same way, though I enjoyed it anyway. It had a lot of appeal, though I guess that guy would say it was only pandering to the audience. Good job on the pandering! :snap: :)

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

Oh.



EH1812, you were right and I was wrong.



I'm still smug about me being right about the series all along, though.

No right or wrong! I keep going back and forth about how I feel...I talk to you and I feel one thing, I read this article and I feel another. Heh. At the end of the day, my initial reaction remains: Emotionally satisfied, intellectually deprived. Though his article makes me even question the former.

[innerSpaceman]

Yep, back and forth with me, too. I think CP had it best, good job on the pandering. The show hit many emotional and fun notes just right, so I enjoyed it. But I didn't realize just how weak it was storywise and intellectually - frankly because my memory of prior seasons is just vague.

I think I'm pretty clear on this though: Rather than leaving ALL those billions of Island story issues unresolved being "meh," it is indeed an unforgivable sin. And rather than the "twist" ending being a mild cop-out, it is the antithesis of all that went before it.


In other words, a completely typical beloved dramatic series finale. :p

[Gemini Cricket]

It should be noted that this thread will be 5 years old on Wednesday.
:)

[innerSpaceman]

I suppose his [Hurley's] flaw is allowing himself to become controlled by his belief in "the curse", an inability to take responsibility for making the best of his life despite any bad luck he might have. Still seems like a weak flaw compared to everyone else's.
Ah, but the link provided by your wife reminded me that Jacob didn't touch Hurley (or Sayid for that matter) until after they'd left the Island. Implying (to me) Jacob had different selection criteria for them than for the rest of the candidates. Sayid just happened to indeed have a fuctup life. Maybe Hurley was chosen, well because Jacob just obviously really liked Hurley and thought he would be awesome for the Island.

[BarTopDancer]

Why the hell did Clarie have to raise Aaron. Why was that such a huge deal?

And the other thing that occurred to me last night - Locke (real Locke) said that he looked into the heart of the island and it was beautiful. I wonder if he found the light before last night - or before he became Fauke.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Why the hell did Clarie have to raise Aaron. Why was that such a huge deal?I'm guessing you're asking why Jack and Kate were intent on getting Claire back to Aaron...and here's where I get to say.....

You'd have to be a parent to understand. ;)

No, really. I can only imagine how awful it would be for Kate and Jack to pretend to be his parents when they knew Claire was still alive. Thinking back on those Oceanic 6 scenes, I think they were played very well. Parenting focuses your priorities so sharply, and the empathy they'd feel for Claire missing it would be immense.

[BarTopDancer]

I'm guessing you're asking why Jack and Kate were intent on getting Claire back to Aaron...and here's where I get to say.....

You'd have to be a parent to understand. ;)

No, really. I can only imagine how awful it would be for Kate and Jack to pretend to be his parents when they knew Claire was still alive. Thinking back on those Oceanic 6 scenes, I think they were played very well. Parenting focuses your priorities so sharply, and the empathy they'd feel for Claire missing it would be immense.

That's actually not what I was asking. There was the psychic who was hellbent on Claire not giving up Aaron. That was imperative that it be Claire who raise Aaron, and not an other (to be interpreted much earlier as The Others).

The Jack/Kate pretending to be his parents is something completely different.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

It should be noted that this thread will be 5 years old on Wednesday.
:)Weird. I started rereading the thread. The discussion begins with the 2005 season finale and abruptly jumps to 2008.

Then my nose started bleeding. :eek:

[innerSpaceman]

Well, I don't want a nose-bleed, but I'm tempted to read the thread.

Until this season, I always watched on DVD, a year behind everyone - but with the great benefit of being able to watch a whole season over a couple of days. I enjoyed all those seasons far better than the current one, and I don't consider it without significance that I watched this season week-to-week.

Because I was a year behind, I was never picky about spoilers. But I never went looking for them, and so have never read this thread.

Is it a good recap?

[Chernabog]

Is it a good recap?

Just close your eyes at the part where we all discuss the last ten seconds of the show where Hurley inhales the smoke monster and promptly transmogrifies into Paul Lynde. "Miss me boys!?!" he cackles. Fade to black. Oh, it was one for the ages.

[Ghoulish Delight]

And the other thing that occurred to me last night - Locke (real Locke) said that he looked into the heart of the island and it was beautiful. I wonder if he found the light before last night - or before he became Fauke.
He said that after he stood his ground against the smoke monster (they covered this in the pre-show). If you watch it again it was probably smokey showing him whatever smokey thought would make him "believe".

[mousepod]

I have given it a lot of thought over the last couple of days.

JJ Abrams has consistently been a creator who can pitch a good idea with no real follow-through. Felicity ended with time travel. Alias turned into a gooey mess. Star Trek was a "please everyone" bait and switch. And now Lost.

JJ Abrams can kiss my ass.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Alias turned into a gooey mess.
You say that like it's a bad thing...

1413

[Betty]

I thought the island didn't sink because of something that changed when they set the bomb off and what's her face said "it worked" right before she died.

[BarTopDancer]

The alternate endings from the Jimmy Kimmel special are worth watching.

[sleepyjeff]

I thought the island didn't sink because of something that changed when they set the bomb off and what's her face said "it worked" right before she died.

I am afraid that the thing that "worked" was unplugging the vending machine in order to drop the candy bar.

I know, truly lame, and so not her last thoughts before dying, and so not "really important" like she said at the swan......but, well, there you go.

[Pirate Bill]

I am afraid that the thing that "worked" was unplugging the vending machine in order to drop the candy bar.

D'oh! You just...d'oh. Thank you and d'oh! ;)

[Pirate Bill]

Very well written review.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23805/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-LOST039S-BIG-GNOSTIC-WET-FART-ENDING/Page1.html

That was a good read. And it helped me come to the realization of what's been bugging me about the finale and why I also keep going back and forth on it.

Since the sideways world just turned out to be a pseudo-purgatory, everything about it is flawed and is completely unnecessary. All it did was to serve the viewers with a happy ending. I would have been fine with a much darker ending without the happy purgatory party. Cut the sideways world out entirely and insert more island story, let it end the same, and I'm good.

[sleepyjeff]

From Eliza's link:
To spend six years with these characters, in these increasingly bizarre scenarios, going through pain with them, examining the most basic aspects of good and evil... just to suddenly say 'What really matters is that they were important to one another' is whiplash inducing. Over six years the show kept widening the canvas, pulling back to show us more of the picture. Then at the last moment it slams to the most simplistic, trite place it could end up. The better ending would have been pulling back on the canvas to show that it was all fractal - 'As above, so below' - that the larger picture was the smaller picture. Instead the show dumped this for an easy, lazily metaphysical ending.

That pretty much sums it up.

[innerSpaceman]

Eh, I'm gonna have to go all Star Wars on Lost (in my head, Star Wars is a stand-alone film, and its official sequels and prequels, which even George Lucas admits contradict major plot points in Star Wars, are all shadow worlds, on the level of books and fan fiction).

So with Lost, I'm going to self-create in my own head something along the lines of what I believe was intended all along - that THE ISLAND is limbo, and the sideways universe is a matrix-like illusion that the Losties eventually wake up from. Some of them, like Sun and Jin, find themselves not waking up after all - since they are "dead" on the Island Limbo - - but it doesn't matter, since everyone else soon finds out the Island is also an alternate world of limbo - and they will all soon or someday move on to full-scale death and whatever afterlife and other alternate worlds lie beyond.


Sheesh, Lindelof and Cuse, do I have to do all the work for you??



I don't take this schizophrenic course often with mere works of art. It was necessary for my Star Wars sanity ... and now I'm afraid it's necessary with Lost to save my soul from being Lost.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Sheesh, Lindelof and Cuse, do I have to do all the work for you??I've done similar work with Star Wars and The Matrix. On this one, I can't wrap my brain around such a complex edit, but I can at least shut the fire door and remember how great the first season and much of the other seasons were. The flashbacks we got in the finale make me want to rewatch the show, though I doubt that will ever happen.

[Betty]

So with Lost, I'm going to self-create in my own head something along the lines of what I believe was intended all along - that THE ISLAND is limbo, and the sideways universe is a matrix-like illusion that the Losties eventually wake up from. Some of them, like Sun and Jin, find themselves not waking up after all - since they are "dead" on the Island Limbo - - but it doesn't matter, since everyone else soon finds out the Island is also an alternate world of limbo - and they will all soon or someday move on to full-scale death and whatever afterlife and other alternate worlds lie beyond.


Thank you. THIS is the closure I was looking for and didn't get.

Love is nice and all but come on - it's not much of an explanation for ANY of the mysteries.